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Author: mats84
Date: 08-15-12 21:38
When I went back to look at the Pitchfork build your list things, I realized I mistakenly thought the list was covering '97-'12 instead of '96-11.
So, I edited mine and Jack White gets dropped and Pinkerton gets added and that got me wondering because it hasn't shown on anybody's else's list so far :
Is Pinkerton considered an overrated record around these parts, or held in lower esteem because it's maybe seen as a one-off peak never to be climbed again by its creator? Have the subsequent (disappointing) Weezer records tarnished its standing or didn't it stand so high in the first place?
I do like the debut alot, but even I think Pinkerton is a different sort of beast that fits into that "the record before didn't suggest this and nothing else they do will come close". Now having said that I'd think it'd appeal to alot of TP'ers just from the standpoint that it sounds like a super-charged Cheap Trick album in a lot of ways. Plus it's one of those records if you like it, you might really, really cling to it.
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Author: erikalbany
Date: 08-15-12 21:46
"Is Pinkerton considered an overrated record around these parts, or held in lower esteem because it's maybe seen as a one-off peak never to be climbed again by its creator? Have the subsequent (disappointing) Weezer records tarnished its standing or didn't it stand so high in the first place?"
Good Questions, and I don't know any of the answers here. My subjective reply that it is my favorite Weezer album, hands-down, but was a slower grower than the blue album, which I immediately loved during the year of its release--and which I rarely return to (except "The World Has Turned. . . ").
The green album was good at the time, but it's one that I never return to. Pinkerton is the only Weezer that I continually go back to.
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Author: breno
Date: 08-15-12 22:46
Pinkerton is a great album. However, the rest of Weezer's output has caused me to form strong mental barriers to stave off any attempt from them to penetrate my conscious thought. The unfortunate side-effect of this Weezer-warding charm is that I never think about Pinkerton until someone else brings it up, at which time I remember "Yeah, that's a good one."
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Author: erikalbany
Date: 08-15-12 22:58
"The unfortunate side-effect of this Weezer-warding charm is that I never think about Pinkerton until someone else brings it up, at which time I remember 'Yeah, that's a good one.'"
That's exactly it.
Brad sometimes has the unerring ability to say what I was thinking a whole lot better than I try to express it. (I'm sure I'm not alone here.)
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Author: HollowbodyKay
Date: 08-16-12 08:26
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The unfortunate side-effect of this Weezer-warding charm
I have a similar problem with my Geezer-warding charm.
It's really only intended to keep Black Sabbath bassist Geezer Butler at bay.
Unfortunate or not, the side effect is that it also handily repels
... The Streets.
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Author: Delvin
Date: 08-16-12 10:41
The blue album and the green album both are great, thanks in large part to the hand-in-glove fit between the band and Ric Ocasek's production. Pinkerton is great, too, for totally different reasons. Maladroit has its moments. After that, the quality of Weezer's output drops fast.
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Author: HollowbodyKay
Date: 08-17-12 11:27
Just in case anyone cares, here is the answer to the unasked question.
Personally, I'm flabbergasted. Terry Chimes was in Black Sabbath?
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By the way, I was only into Weezer for about the time it took that pack of dogs to run across the set of the video for "Undone." So although I'm rather in the "meh" camp as far as they go, I'll always love that song.
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Author: rhettlawrence
Date: 08-17-12 11:37
I have never owned anything by Weezer and probably have only heard a handful of songs. Is it pretty much the consensus here that if I were to own only one of their albums, Pinkerton would be the one?
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Author: mats84
Date: 08-17-12 14:31
The first 2 are both worth owning I'd say but Pinkerton to me is significantly better and I didn't even think twice about including it in my top 20 for the Pitchfork list thing.
I think it's a great record and kind of singular in many ways - there's a lot of records that seem like it (certainly alot of emo records that followed seem like it), but it's kind of its own beast.
I love every aspect of that album, the cover art, the lyrics (which alot of people hate), the overbearingly big guitars.
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Author: Delvin
Date: 08-17-12 15:48
> ... if I were to own only one of their albums, Pinkerton would be the one?
Depends on what you want. Rivers Cuomo took a more confessional approach on that second album. But he apparently was so embarrassed by the obsessions he revealed — sex, female fans, crushes, Asian girls, lesbians, sex with Asian girls, crushes on female fans who turn out to be lesbians, and so forth — that he never dug that deep again. In fact, he put Weezer on hiatus (more or less) for a few years after the album came out.
In 2000, Cuomo relented and went back on the road with Weezer. He figured the band would just be testing the waters, but the tour surprised the hell out of everyone by being a big success. The green album turned out to be a comeback for the group, and a pretty good one, at that.
The blue album and the green album both include some tunes that have become well-known beyond Weezer's die-hard audience; both are fun and worthwhile, IMO. But Pinkerton works better as an album. Their subsequent output, from Maladroit onward, isn't really worth the bother.
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Author: Paganizer
Date: 08-18-12 05:08
Why it hasn't shown, etc.*
Seems like somebody on this board summed up Weezer as the poor-man's Pavement, the pseudo-intellectual Barenaked Ladies or some such. In my mind they can't be divorced from Crash Test Dummies and Blind Melon (maybe these were always triple-sets on the rare occasions I listened to the awful 90s mainstream fare). I never took them seriously ; they were responsible for some of the worst, most-cloying singles of the 90s - the jump-for-the-scan-button sort. I like many bands for whom the singles are not representative of the deep cuts, but found those to be more of the same. I've had people (one dude in particular) foist Pinkerton on me and and have heard it a few times (the dude still listens to 90s mainstream like Nickelback and Matchbox-20 so that doesn't help). Was Weezer more than an accidentally discovered sales program for a specific time and place? So, my vote is that Pinkerton is representative of the post-Nirvana soft-indie that TP railed against. I can see the argument for liking it, and know that there are some for whom it is not in the same class as their awful radio hits but then you still have to put it against a lot of solid classics given the time period.
*tl;dr
I was unaware they ever had any TP traction.
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